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Bottom post of the previous page:

Some pics.

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I'm unsure of the manner in which they destroyed Senna's car, just that when the team got it back that it had been in an advanced state of deterioration and had removed and returned the Renault engine, and destroyed the remains of the car. Likewise I have also heard before that Cevert's Tyrrell was destroyed under the supervision of Gardner.

I have heard of other cars that had not been destroyed, though I've never seen any actual proof. I've heard that the wreckage of De Angelis' Brabham is still around somewhere, as well as the wreckage of the Schlesser car ( though what of it, I can't imagine. I'd thought there couldn't be much left after that intense fire ).
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GrandiRacing wrote:I'm unsure of the manner in which they destroyed Senna's car, just that when the team got it back that it had been in an advanced state of deterioration and had removed and returned the Renault engine, and destroyed the remains of the car. Likewise I have also heard before that Cevert's Tyrrell was destroyed under the supervision of Gardner.

I have heard of other cars that had not been destroyed, though I've never seen any actual proof. I've heard that the wreckage of De Angelis' Brabham is still around somewhere, as well as the wreckage of the Schlesser car ( though what of it, I can't imagine. I'd thought there couldn't be much left after that intense fire ).
I would be quite interested to know what cars are still around that were involved in fatal accidents. I know there is a big moral debate about what should happen t them.
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I too would like to know the whereabouts of such cars. I know the car that Bill Vukovich was killed in during the Indy 500 was discovered in a museum somewhere in Europe I think. Another car that I know of that is still around is the Hoffman Brothers "White Lightning" USAC car. I believe that car was the one in which both Rich Vogler and Robbie Stanley lost their lives, and I am pretty sure that car is still around somewhere.

Anyone else got any other stories?
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A lot of Grand Prix cars of the 1950s were re-used after fatal crashes.
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By the way...

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PTRACER wrote:A lot of Grand Prix cars of the 1950s were re-used after fatal crashes.
Any cars in particular?
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GrandiRacing wrote:I know the car that Bill Vukovich was killed in during the Indy 500 was discovered in a museum somewhere in Europe I think.
Jim Rathmann drove it in the very next year's 500.
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Thank you for the pictures! But what do the arrows show? A ruptured fuel tank?
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P34 wrote:Thank you for the pictures! But what do the arrows show? A ruptured fuel tank?
I'm guessing the arrow is meant to point out something specific matching photos of the car the day it crashed. Anybody got a picture of the car looking at that angle from the accident?
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As far as I know, there are no close-up pictures from the crash site.
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One thing I am slightly disturbed by is this (which was only removed a few days ago):
http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:6a25 ... clnk&gl=uk

721G/4 became 731 chassis #4. Tom Wheatcroft hired 731/4 for Roger Williamson drive and it's the car he crashed in at the British and Dutch GPs.

So it's not a surprise they're quite vague in that advertisement and say "Well we don't know what happened to it after this date". Seriously, what could have been salvageable from it after Williamson burned to death in it?
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Arrows compare two pictures of the debris, one take in Monza and other current, compares the D letter to demonstrate that the debris are the same. See my pics links. Sorry my english.
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The first wreck looks like the Rindt car, but the second is not the same car! The steering column is still mounted and the damage is not nearly as bad, it also has the airbox still in place.

Looks like I got it wrong probably the same wreck ofter it has corroded away and had parts nicked off it.

The arrow points to the hile in the tub which is the same!

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The first picture shows how the car was "found" and the second shows it back in the workshop of the person who rebuilt it. I'm assuming some of those pieces on the floor on the top picture, in the background, were put back on the car before the second picture was taken to show the more complete wreck.
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ta PT. I modified my post while you were busy responding! I think the more complete wreck is after the accident and prior to stripping and weathering!

A lot of historic cars are so rebuilt, that they share few components with the original. On that basis it would be possible to rebuild the Williamson car! Like Grandfathers axe!

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