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Re: Round 2: The Steiermark GP - Q3 RESULTS

Post by Circuitmaster » 3 weeks ago

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I'm so glad that we got a wet quali. My household was very pessimistic about their chances when they saw the conditions but credit to the officials and especially the drivers. Considering the conditions, that was an excellent display.
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Post by SB83 » 3 weeks ago

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Well, that was the first qualifying session in a long time that I really enjoyed. F1 and rain makes a fine cocktail.

1. Hamilton - He is good.
2. Verstappen - He did some impressive driving. That last lap was amazing, even if he lost it on the last corner.
3. Sainz - Oh yea, I guess he is pretty good.
4. Bottas - 1.4 seconds slower than his teammate.
5. Ocon - He is back! I missed him.
6. Norris - Really did seem to be the inspired star of McLaren through all the practices and all the qualifying, until suddenly Sainz beat him at the end.
7. Albon - Only 0.5 seconds behind his teammate. I am still not convinced his ride is secure for 2021, although his team has to say that.
8. Gasly - Looked really good for most of the season. This is an oddly inconsistent driver.
9. Ricciardo - Expected to see an Ocon/Ricciardo fight for dominance all season. Looks like I will get my wish.
10. Vettel - Qualified one better than in the last race. 10 seems to be his new magic number.

12. Russell - actually watched this guy in the virtual GP season. In addition to being charming and very likeable, he is the real deal. Drove some nice fast controlled laps.

19. Giovinazzi - well... not that surprised.

Anyhow, if it is dry tomorrow, I expect the race to be pretty predictable. The only question is where does the two Ferrari's end up, as they seem to be struggling right now.
Sums up my thoughts pretty accurately, especially the Norris part. I'm thinking damn this kid has gone from good to awesome this year....then Sainz goes to P3.

I'll be surprised if there's a battle for the lead. Doubt Merc will let their kerb issue crop up again and Lewis will zoom into the distance. Unless Max gets a good enough start to where he can divebomb Hamilton into T1 without taking him out (although wouldn't mind that either!!).

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3 Place Grid Penalty for Leclerc

Charles Leclerc has received a three-place grid penalty for the Styrian Grand Prix for impeding AlphaTauri racer Daniil Kvyat in qualifying, and will therefore start 14th, behind Williams driver George Russell, Racing Point's Lance Stroll and Kvyat.
"The driver of car 16 had been adequately informed by the team after Turn 7 that car 26 would be approaching and that he should watch out for traffic.

"Following this, he accelerated on the approach to Turn 9, but eventually slowed down again after spotting another car in front of him in Turn 9 in order to prevent having his following lap affected.

"Furthermore, the driver of car 16 stated that it would have been impossible for him to see anything in his rear view mirrors due to the bad weather conditions.

"Video evidence and telemetry data clearly showed that the driver of car 26 was impeded by car 16 in Turns 9 and 10.

"Although the weather conditions might have affected the visibility in the rear view mirrors and the driver had no intention of impeding another car, the stewards determine that the driver of car 16 must have been aware of car 26 approaching, could have reacted differently and therefore impose the penalty."

Leclerc was also investigated, along with Kimi Raikonnen for not pitting when the red flag was shown at the end of Q1, but both were excused due to the proximity to pit lane entry when the flag was shown.

On this matter, the stewards said: "The red flag came at the moment the driver of car 16 was approaching the entry of Turn 9 and the driver was fully committed to the turn.

"The driver braked hard, did not accelerate after Turn 9 and considered entering the pitlane by crossing the white line at pit entry, but felt it would have been unsafe do so.

"The driver reacted appropriately, continued on track and drove the lap afterwards at safe speeds.

"Taking this into account, stewards determine to take no further action."

Giovinazzi's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen was also subject to a red flag investigation, and was excused on similar grounds.

The stewards noted that the Finn "made an attempt to safely enter the pitlane, but was unable to reasonably do so".

Racing Point driver Sergio Perez escaped sanction for an alleged yellow flag infringement, with the stewards deciding that he had done as much as he could to slow down.

They noted: "The driver of car 11 had already reached the braking zone before Turn 3 and was fully committed to the corner at the moment a single yellow flag was shown shortly before the apex of Turn 3.

"In addition to that, a green light panel was flashing right after the apex.

"Taking into account these facts, the stewards determine that the driver of car 11 had no chance to do anything more to slow down more than he did and therefore take no further action."
As I mentioned previously Lando was also given a 3 place penalty for a yellow flag infringement in practice.

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Post by Ruslan » 3 weeks ago

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I'll be surprised if there's a battle for the lead. Doubt Merc will let their kerb issue crop up again and Lewis will zoom into the distance. Unless Max gets a good enough start to where he can divebomb Hamilton into T1 without taking him out (although wouldn't mind that either!!).
Yea, gone are the days when Lewis used to muff his starts. Made for more interesting racing.

Suspect the first three positions are sewed up, but hard to say if Bottas or Verstappen will take 2nd. The interesting race will be for 4th. I am assuming the Ferrari's are going to do better in the race than they did in qualifying.

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Post by Ruslan » 3 weeks ago

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As was said before, if I was Sainz right now I'd be looking at where McLaren are and where Ferrari are and kicking myself.

Lando Norris tweeted that he's not feeling that well this weekend, so maybe his qualifying result reflected that, plus he has the penalty of course so that didn't help either.

Looks like being a good race tomorrow.
He apparently has some internal pains from the G forces. He was on pain killers today and being wet, it wasn't so bad. Not sure how he is going to deal with a full race tomorrow.

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Unbelievable. Hamilton on pole by 1.2 SECONDS.
Unbelievable indeed.

Looking at their fastest times (Q1), Hammy (1:18.188) only had a tenth on Verstap (1:18.297). ;)

Hopefully, it'll be good tomorrow. We shall see soon enough. :)
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Post by MonteCristo » 3 weeks ago

Unless Ham fluffs his start... Game over.
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'About 9 hours, we'll know, won't we....? :)
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Post by John » 3 weeks ago

Ruslan wrote:
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As was said before, if I was Sainz right now I'd be looking at where McLaren are and where Ferrari are and kicking myself.

Lando Norris tweeted that he's not feeling that well this weekend, so maybe his qualifying result reflected that, plus he has the penalty of course so that didn't help either.

Looks like being a good race tomorrow.
He apparently has some internal pains from the G forces. He was on pain killers today and being wet, it wasn't so bad. Not sure how he is going to deal with a full race tomorrow.
In that case he's really going to be sore after Mugello. :wink:
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Unless Ham fluffs his start... Game over.
Well, I'm holding out hope. Hamilton found the perfect wet line and didn't make any mistakes. Verstappen was on target for a much closer time until he lost control.

Plus there is the issue of setup. How many teams compromised their qualifying by running a dry setup, knowing it will be dry for race day?
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 3 weeks ago

Saw this posted elsewhere which I found amusing and fair comment....

"RBR protest Hamilton for not slowing down enough to suit the conditions" :haha: :haha:

Max felt Vettel pitting in front of him as he went for his final flyer cost him time. He did say he does not think it made the difference between the times. (I would agree.... I think the real reason was more the two opposite lock moments and the half spin at the final corner that cost him the time. :wink:
Good save at the end though, getting it back facing the right way...... :smiley:

Bottas meanwhile had a problem with glazed brakes caused by a bad warmup in turn caused by all the traffic.... leading to a lack of confidence and 'pedal feel'.

Looks like no chance of rain today, so a decent race probably revolves around Max taking out Lewis at T1 and then we might get a show. Hoping for George Russell to finish in the points, and of course CLAP to beat Vettel.
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Post by jimclark » 3 weeks ago

I thought they were required to run the same setup in race as in qualifying? Has that changed?
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I thought they were required to run the same setup in race as in qualifying? Has that changed?
It hasn't changed, that's my point.

Perhaps some teams went with a full wet setup to guarantee qualifying position, but they will have to suffer the consequences in a dry race of having too high ride height and too soft suspension. Hamilton certainly would not be 1.2s ahead on a fully dry setup going by yesterday's conditions. It also probably explains Force India's issues in qualifying.
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I thought they were required to run the same setup in race as in qualifying? Has that changed?
I think that was @PTRACER's point.... how many compromised their wet setup knowing the race was going to be dry and changes are limited to what they can do in adjustment terms on the grid. ie no stiffer springs and dampers, just a tweak on a roll bar. I think thats the rule unless they have say a failed damper or replacing a broken damaged part then that is the only changes allowed under Parc Ferme rules.

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Post by jimclark » 3 weeks ago

'Gotcha....ooopppsss.....I understand. (proper English)

I just plain misread "How many teams compromised their qualifying by running a dry setup,".

My error. :)
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Post by jimclark » 3 weeks ago

Also, I think, as I posted, Lewis' and Max's fastest times exhibit more closeness than Q3 indicates. ;)

edit: And, I posted the wrong time for Max...he was fastest wasn't he...? :smacking forehead:
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