Rate the 2020 Austrian GP

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Rate the 2020 Austrian GP (1)

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Re: Rate the 2020 Austrian GP (1)

Post by Picci » 2 months ago

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Felt generous so I gave it an 8 for being a different season opener and factoring in the waiting time to see the cars running. Only gets to score high marks thanks to the rather random safety cars bunching up the field - otherwise it would have been an awful race.

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caneparo wrote:
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Strange race because mercedes looked so dominant until the end when they suffered pverheating problems. Albon confirms he’s the black sheep for hamilton. Leclerc made two spectacular passes. Good first podium for norris. 7 for me
I didn't catch the end. overheating problems? On top of the tranny problems? Yikes!!!

For what I saw, I gave it an 8; if I had caught that, I woulda' gave it a nine for the suspense...... :)

edit: Ah, cool. A replay is on right now, lap 52....about where I left it before.

edit II: 'Never heard anything about overheating on the broadcast, and no mention by Bottas (https://www.planetf1.com/news/valtteri- ... s-austria/)....source?
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Post by MonteCristo » 2 months ago

Was the third vote last night before bed, and gave it 8.

The last 5-10 laps were terrific. But the rest was pretty dire and worth a 5 or 6.

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Post by Star » 2 months ago

I gave it an 8 too, without reading what others had said as I didn't want to be biased. Enough going on to keep you watching and some actual proper passes which is always a good thing to see.
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Was the third vote last night before bed, and gave it 8.

The last 5-10 laps were terrific. But the rest was pretty dire and worth a 5 or 6.

Test for greatness: Will I remember it in a year's time, let alone 10 years? Nope, I won't.
Personally that's fine. If you enjoyed it at the time, it is enough. I watched enough races in the past (particular at Valencia and Abore Dhabi) where I felt my patience was being tested and staying in front of the TV was a massive struggle. I don't want that to happen more than once or twice a season and even that feels a little too much...
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Post by caneparo » 2 months ago

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MonteCristo wrote:
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Was the third vote last night before bed, and gave it 8.

The last 5-10 laps were terrific. But the rest was pretty dire and worth a 5 or 6.

Test for greatness: Will I remember it in a year's time, let alone 10 years? Nope, I won't.
Personally that's fine. If you enjoyed it at the time, it is enough. I watched enough races in the past (particular at Valencia and Abore Dhabi) where I felt my patience was being tested and staying in front of the TV was a massive struggle. I don't want that to happen more than once or twice a season and even that feels a little too much...
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@jimclark that s what they were saying in sky italy, maybe they meant tyres overheating?
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Post by jimclark » 2 months ago

"@jimclark that s what they were saying in sky italy, maybe they meant tyres overheating?"

Gotcha'. I just haven't heard/read anywhere of any problems other than the potential gearbox one. :)
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Post by Ruslan » 2 months ago

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I gave it an 8 too, without reading what others had said as I didn't want to be biased. Enough going on to keep you watching and some actual proper passes which is always a good thing to see.
Yea, I always make my decision on how to rate the race before reading the results. I am surprised so many people have rated it an 8. There was never a fight for the lead !!!

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I am surprised so many people have rated it an 8. There was never a fight for the lead !!!
Alas that's what the suspense of potential attrition can do. 'Don't necessarily need a battle up front or even cars close anywhere when you have to wonder whether this or that is going to make it to the end.
The races are "closer than ever in the past; but in days of yore, there was always that suspense under the surface (before drivetrains "had" to last x amount of time otherwise penalty) as you new they were tip toeing on the the edge for speed.
Very many (prolly almost all, actually) don't realize these mandated longevity regs. are less for saving money than for appeasing sponsors desire for more exposure during the races......
DNF? That'll never do!!! Your billboard ain't going around in front of all those eyeballs which is why you drop the coin on the teams. Business.

'Gotta read between the lines. ;)
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Post by John » 2 months ago

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Ruslan wrote:
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I am surprised so many people have rated it an 8. There was never a fight for the lead !!!
Alas that's what the suspense of potential attrition can do. 'Don't necessarily need a battle up front or even cars close anywhere when you have to wonder whether this or that is going to make it to the end.
This was the biggest part of what made the race so intriguing. It was like watching a race from the turbo era (the proper one) where you never knew if the car leading the race would hand grenade the engine and retire.

Plus with all the CFD and other fancy computer thingmajings plus simulator work and what not, these cars are nigh on bullet proof these days.

F1 thrives on uncertainty and suspense. When all 20 cars finish the race, you're going to need a LOT of on track action to create that uncertainty and suspense.
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Post by Ruslan » 2 months ago

Well, @jimclark and @John, I do agree that the era when cars broke down more often sometimes led to lots of dramatic and memorial moments and sometimes better racing. I have often wondered if F1 was getting "too reliable."

While I agree that it was a better than average race, I don't think it was that much better. Maybe I am just stingy with my points.

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Aaahhhh....you have a grasp.... I'd go from there back, but that's okay.

See my signature. Like i said in that post, the "business" has taken over the "sport". I wish they had never allowed the big sponsorship in the first place. What was the very first big one? Gold Leaf Team lotus iirc, no?

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without sponsorship >>> No F1 anymore.
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Aaahhhh....you have a grasp.... I'd go from there back, but that's okay.

See my signature. Like i said in that post, the "business" has taken over the "sport". I wish they had never allowed the big sponsorship in the first place. What was the very first big one? Gold Leaf Team lotus iirc, no?

I worshiped him, but......damn you Chapman....... :)

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Oh American Indy Car Racing was always sponsored, for over a 100 years. Not sure how Grand Prix Racing operated without sponsorship.

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Ruslan wrote:
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jimclark wrote:
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Aaahhhh....you have a grasp.... I'd go from there back, but that's okay.

See my signature. Like i said in that post, the "business" has taken over the "sport". I wish they had never allowed the big sponsorship in the first place. What was the very first big one? Gold Leaf Team lotus iirc, no?

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Oh American Indy Car Racing was always sponsored, for over a 100 years. Not sure how Grand Prix Racing operated without sponsorship.
America has always been really good with branding, plus it seems there was good sports coverage on American TV back in the day. In the 1960s, the UK only had 2/3 channels (of which only one featured any kind of commercials) and sport wasn't covered very well. I'm sure it also helped that the USA had large-capacity, family-friendly venues like Indianapolis, while motorsport in the UK meant getting muddy feet and standing around with a load of straw hats and tweed jackets. Perhaps mainland Europe was the same.

The point being advertising wasn't going to bring in that much profit compared to in the USA.
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