Zandvoort - the road back to F1

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Re: Zandvoort - the road back to F1

Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 week ago

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would be fantastic if they renovated Zolder as well, and have the Belgian Grand Prix on alternate venues.
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I recall Tom Walkinshaw commenting back in the day on what Zolder needed.... his reply being along the lines of there was nothing at Zolder that could not be fixed.... with a bottomless pit of money and a fleet of bulldozers.

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Post by Antonov » 1 week ago

... yet it had some of the most exciting races in F1 history.

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Post by erwin greven » 1 week ago

Tom Walkinshaw needed a bulldozer for him self.

The Blancpain races on Zolder were very good though. And it is very suited for GT-Racing.
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Post by John » 1 week ago

Everso Biggyballies wrote:
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John wrote:
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Antonov wrote:
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would be fantastic if they renovated Zolder as well, and have the Belgian Grand Prix on alternate venues.
:insulted:
I recall Tom Walkinshaw commenting back in the day on what Zolder needed.... his reply being along the lines of there was nothing at Zolder that could not be fixed.... with a bottomless pit of money and a fleet of bulldozers.
Fair point, really.
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Post by erwin greven » 1 week ago

Don't mow Zolder down. Good track.

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Post by PTRACER » 1 week ago

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... yet it had some of the most exciting races in F1 history.
I felt this way about the old Zandvoort. That doesn't mean it, or Zolder, would be suitable now.

Anyway, let's hope Spa-Francorchamps can receive some "downgrades" and start to look like this again:

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Post by Michkov » 1 week ago

Hard left into hairpin right?

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Post by erwin greven » 1 week ago

yep. Eau Rouge left, towards Ancienne Douane.
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I think we all know that this will be the worst race on the calendar. Sorry Netherlands...

that's very cynical. I think it will be great, because it's an old-school challenging track. That will keep the drivers on the edge of their seats. A challenging track will cause incidents, we know that. There may not be a lot of passing, but there were no passing at Paul Ricard and that's not a challenging track.
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I think it will be great for the drivers, but Zandvoort is basically an F3 track. I mean, it was great to see CART at Brands Indy in 2003, but was the racing great?
Isn't that what racing is supposed to be about? The test of man and machine negotiating a circuit the quickest against the opposition? Especially the pinnacle, F1? :whistling:

It seems many these days think of racing as a show, rather than a competition. When I want to witness scripted excitement, I go to the theatre.....actual competition?...close or not (the really rare close ones then can be cherished rather than run-of-the-mill masses' scripted show time).....I go to, or watch, a real race. :wink:
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Post by erwin greven » 1 week ago

As a Dutchman i am actually not interested in the race. Way too overhyped here in the Netherlands. There is a lot of other racing that weekend. I think i will not even watch a single session of the F1 weekend.
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erwin greven wrote:
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As a Dutchman i am actually not interested in the race. Way too overhyped here in the Netherlands. There is a lot of other racing that weekend. I think i will not even watch a single session of the F1 weekend.
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Post by erwin greven » 1 week ago

Indeed. And if the lobby of Zandvoort was not that dirty. Which it was, i would have watched the race. Now i feel only a bitter taste.
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Post by PTRACER » 1 week ago

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I think it will be great for the drivers, but Zandvoort is basically an F3 track. I mean, it was great to see CART at Brands Indy in 2003, but was the racing great?
Isn't that what racing is supposed to be about? The test of man and machine negotiating a circuit the quickest against the opposition? Especially the pinnacle, F1? :whistling:

It seems many these days think of racing as a show, rather than a competition. When I want to witness scripted excitement, I go to the theatre.....actual competition?...close or not (the really rare close ones then can be cherished rather than run-of-the-mill masses' scripted show time).....I go to, or watch, a real race. :wink:
It is a show. It's an entertainment. It's neither entertaining, nor a race, if you put a bunch of cars on a circuit where no one can follow closely and no one can overtake.
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Post by jimclark » 1 week ago

I get it. That's why I sleep through a lot these days or change channels.
If it becomes a sport again, excellence, (which I had a passion for, participated in), I might be "entertained" again. ;)
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Post by Antonov » 1 week ago

PTRACER wrote:
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I think we all know that this will be the worst race on the calendar. Sorry Netherlands...

refreshing not to see a single 90° turn.

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Post by aitor0145 » 3 days ago

I feel like this is gonna be a Monaco style of race with no passing, just a procession of cars going around the track. Hope I’m wrong

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