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Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 06:50 am
by caneparo

Latest post of the previous page:

Poor giovi. He had a lot of technical issues and bad luck. He showed really good speed in qualifying. I hope that when he will find race pace the car will support him. The alfa showed worring lack of speed and involution.
Gasly is the driver who disappointed more than everyone. Not really for the results but for the huge gaps he gets from verstappen

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 19:39 pm
by John
Gio redeemed himself of sorts by scoring his first point today and having a very solid weekend, while Gasly finished behind Norris and was the only driver from the big-3 to be lapped.

Will Gasly make it to Spa before he's replaced by Ragunathan? Can Red Bull afford to pass up on such a generational talent?

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 19:44 pm
by erwin greven
Like i wrote before in the Austrian GP topic:
erwin greven wrote:
1 month ago
VER 4th, GAS 9th...
At the start they went into T1 almost next to each other.
At the end Max lapped Gasly.. There was actually a moment that Gasly was in front of Max. How long it took to overtake Kimi... Kimi only needed his experience to keep in front of Gasly.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 21:51 pm
by Picci
erwin greven wrote:
1 month ago
Like i wrote before in the Austrian GP topic:
erwin greven wrote:
1 month ago
VER 4th, GAS 9th...
At the start they went into T1 almost next to each other.
At the end Max lapped Gasly.. There was actually a moment that Gasly was in front of Max. How long it took to overtake Kimi... Kimi only needed his experience to keep in front of Gasly.
That's true. Gasly was pathetic today. It took him an eternity and a pitstop to get past the Alfas.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 03:50 am
by Kai-Star
It's laughable to be lapped by your teammate. Not sure how often that's happened in F1 history, but I'd be surprised if it's more than a handful, especially under sunny skies and with no mechanical issues involved.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 00:03 am
by Michkov
Johnny Dumfries came to mind and as it turns out he never finished on the same lap whenever Senna and he both finished a race in 1986.

The other good guess is whoever ran the second Brabham in Piquets glory days. The fact that I cant remember any of their names speaks for itself.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 03:37 am
by Kai-Star
Patrese was pretty good.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 03:53 am
by Kai-Star
Just looked up Dave Walker, as I remembered he scored a mighty 0 points compared to Emmo's '72 Championship Season. Seems it was a good race when he was even 1 lap behind. Ahh the good old days.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 07:29 am
by caneparo
Michkov wrote:
1 month ago
Johnny Dumfries came to mind and as it turns out he never finished on the same lap whenever Senna and he both finished a race in 1986.

The other good guess is whoever ran the second Brabham in Piquets glory days. The fact that I cant remember any of their names speaks for itself.
Patrese won races while he paired with piquet at brabham

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:42 pm
by JBT
It was the other guys in the Brabham no.2 seat, Hector Rebaque and Ricardo Zunino, who were miles off Piquet. Having said that, Rebaque picked up a few top sixes here and there, but was never a winning contender. I think both were chosen for their $$$ contribution, I'm guessing Rebaque brought Pemex sponsorship to Brabham, through the Mexican connection?

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 13:58 pm
by kals
Dumfries was Senna's patsy. Back in the day various top team drivers would get lapped by their team mate, but as has been pointed out by @caneparo with the Patrese example, those drivers would also win races.

This week Autosport.com quite appropriately pointed out that Gasly has turned a top 3 car into a regular midfield runner in 2019. He hasn't achieved anything better than a single 5th place so far and looks highly unlikely to match his best STR result from 2018.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 20:18 pm
by John
Michkov wrote:
1 month ago
Johnny Dumfries
That's John Colum Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute to you, Sir.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 16:42 pm
by PTRACER
It's time for Gasly to go. No doubt about it. Nothing special about him at all this season.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 18:31 pm
by Vassago
kals wrote:
1 month ago
Dumfries was Senna's patsy. Back in the day various top team drivers would get lapped by their team mate, but as has been pointed out by @caneparo with the Patrese example, those drivers would also win races.
Senna vetoed Derek Warwick as his 1986 teammate so there is that. Warwick only latched onto a Brabham ride after Elio de Angelis' death.

Back on topic, Giovinazzi seems to have picked some speed and can challenge Raikkonen even in qualifying while scoring some points here and there. Meanwhile Gasly is a hopeless case. Given how short is the Halmut Marko leash, he could be out of Red Bull after Hungary. Totally screwed up in Hockenheim. Vettel would be proud of that overtaking attempt on Albon.
Kai-Star wrote:
1 month ago
Just looked up Dave Walker, as I remembered he scored a mighty 0 points compared to Emmo's '72 Championship Season. Seems it was a good race when he was even 1 lap behind. Ahh the good old days.
Dave Walker was the 1971 British F3 champion but he ended up as the worst WDC teammate in F1 history (only one to score 0 points). Chapman whiffed on him big time but at least he found a solid replacement (Ronnie Peterson).

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 19:23 pm
by John
Yes, Gio have started to find his feet by every week. It took him a few races but he's getting there.

Gasly, on the other hand, is really in a bad place right now.

Re: Gio and Gasly: Who's been the worst and who will get sacked first?

Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 20:17 pm
by Picci
I thought given the track conditions Giovinazzi handled himself quite professionally. He tried to keep out of trouble as best he could even though I believe we've seen him go off at one point, but so did Kimi. Gasly on the other hand...