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Post by XcraigX » 4 months ago

Latest post of the previous page:

SB83 wrote:
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kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
No, what? 2002/2004 cars didn't look and sound a lot better than today's cars?

And now you don't even need team orders because Bottas can't keep up most of the time. Not that Barrichello challenged Schumacher every race either.
But I think the point is that when Barrichello was able to win, Ferrari ordered 'la switcherooni'. See Austria '02. This year is maybe just as unchallenged, but at least there are no team orders at Mercedes. Bottas is free to win if he can.

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Post by kals » 4 months ago

XcraigX wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
No, what? 2002/2004 cars didn't look and sound a lot better than today's cars?

And now you don't even need team orders because Bottas can't keep up most of the time. Not that Barrichello challenged Schumacher every race either.
But I think the point is that when Barrichello was able to win, Ferrari ordered 'la switcherooni'. See Austria '02. This year is maybe just as unchallenged, but at least there are no team orders at Mercedes. Bottas is free to win if he can.
:agreepost:

Correct, this is my point. I’m not disputing the look or sound of the cars, but Ferrari and Schumacher manipulated multiple races results be it through team orders (Austria, Nurburgring, etc...) or Schumacher trying to be clever (Indy) that the races weren’t truly races. Rubens was never a match for Michael on track and had a number two stipulation in his contract which meant he only won when 1) the team said he could stay ahead of Michael or 2) when Michael fucked up (China 2004).

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Post by Tom » 4 months ago

I got bored winding through this race. What is clearly needed is a long detailed analysis backed up by evidence which can be presented en masse to those in charge to try and get some kind of change.

I'm obviously the wrong person to do this, being terminally thick, so I will simply resort to stale memes...

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Post by John » 4 months ago

Tom wrote:
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I got bored winding through this race. What is clearly needed is a long detailed analysis backed up by evidence which can be presented en masse to those in charge to try and get some kind of change.

I'm obviously the wrong person to do this, being terminally thick, so I will simply resort to stale memes...

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Post by SB83 » 4 months ago

kals wrote:
4 months ago
XcraigX wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
No, what? 2002/2004 cars didn't look and sound a lot better than today's cars?

And now you don't even need team orders because Bottas can't keep up most of the time. Not that Barrichello challenged Schumacher every race either.
But I think the point is that when Barrichello was able to win, Ferrari ordered 'la switcherooni'. See Austria '02. This year is maybe just as unchallenged, but at least there are no team orders at Mercedes. Bottas is free to win if he can.
:agreepost:

Correct, this is my point. I’m not disputing the look or sound of the cars, but Ferrari and Schumacher manipulated multiple races results be it through team orders (Austria, Nurburgring, etc...) or Schumacher trying to be clever (Indy) that the races weren’t truly races. Rubens was never a match for Michael on track and had a number two stipulation in his contract which meant he only won when 1) the team said he could stay ahead of Michael or 2) when Michael fucked up (China 2004).
Yes, at the start of the season, Bottas was allowed to win but now that Hamilton is the clear favourite, don't you think they'll go back to twisting Bottas' arm every race like they did last year? That's the only difference, in that Barichello was in a supporting role from the start of the season, while Mercedes waits till Hamilton inevitably emerges as the clear favourite horse to back. :)

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Post by MonteCristo » 4 months ago

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I don't know why you guys still tune in, to be honest. It is literally like standing by the highway and watching cars go by, perhaps even that is too flattering a comparison for the on-track product being what it is. F1 has dug itself a really deep and complex hole and I don't think they'll get out of it anytime soon. The product reeks from every single angle. I can't think of a single thing I like about it at the moment. Not. One. Thing.
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Post by MonteCristo » 4 months ago

kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
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At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
Nothing's changed. Ferrari flipped their cars around with team orders this year as well! :mrgreen:

But the cars sound and look like shit.
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Post by Vassago » 4 months ago

I was highly critical of halo (still true) but I don't care about the sounds & beautiful cars all that much. 2002 & 2004 was much worse esp. with my guy JPM putting some fight in qualifying but your just knew all these poles were wasted come race day due to you know whom.

Beautiful cars? Hell, bring back the walrus thing 10 times over if only it means we have some overtaking. Or the 2014 nose crap. I don't care.
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Post by caneparo » 4 months ago

I just read an autosprint article which says that it’s better to be invited to have launche at mothers in law house rather than watch such a race.
I think it clearly sums up the mood of the people watching this thing
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Post by kals » 4 months ago

People have very short memories. To those that don't and remember last year's Canadian GP... :whistling:

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Post by John » 4 months ago

kals wrote:
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People have very short memories. To those that don't and remember last year's Canadian GP... :whistling:
I don't remember anything about that race except the Stroll/Hartley crash, and that it was boring as shite.

But I'm guessing that's exactly what you're referring to. :wink:
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Post by MonteCristo » 4 months ago

John wrote:
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kals wrote:
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People have very short memories. To those that don't and remember last year's Canadian GP... :whistling:
I don't remember anything about that race except the Stroll/Hartley crash, and that it was boring as shite.

But I'm guessing that's exactly what you're referring to. :wink:
Was last year the flag incident, or was that 2017?
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Post by Antonov » 4 months ago

you mean with the super model waiving the flag a lap early? Yes, 2018.

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Post by kals » 4 months ago

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you mean with the super model being instructed to wave the flag a lap early and then getting criticized by keyboard warriors? Yes, 2018.
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Post by PTRACER » 4 months ago

kals wrote:
4 months ago
XcraigX wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
No, what? 2002/2004 cars didn't look and sound a lot better than today's cars?

And now you don't even need team orders because Bottas can't keep up most of the time. Not that Barrichello challenged Schumacher every race either.
But I think the point is that when Barrichello was able to win, Ferrari ordered 'la switcherooni'. See Austria '02. This year is maybe just as unchallenged, but at least there are no team orders at Mercedes. Bottas is free to win if he can.
:agreepost:

Correct, this is my point. I’m not disputing the look or sound of the cars, but Ferrari and Schumacher manipulated multiple races results be it through team orders (Austria, Nurburgring, etc...) or Schumacher trying to be clever (Indy) that the races weren’t truly races. Rubens was never a match for Michael on track and had a number two stipulation in his contract which meant he only won when 1) the team said he could stay ahead of Michael or 2) when Michael fucked up (China 2004).
I always regarded 2002 as the worst season, but a Williams won Round 2 and then a McLaren won round 7. So we had 3 different winners from 3 different teams in the first 7 rounds and it would have been 4 different winners if Barrichello had not been swapped on the line at Austria. That's better than 2 winners from 1 team like we have this year.
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Post by XcraigX » 4 months ago

PTRACER wrote:
4 months ago
kals wrote:
4 months ago
XcraigX wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
kals wrote:
4 months ago
SB83 wrote:
4 months ago
At least 2002 and 2004 had exciting sounding and looking cars. This season doesn't even have that.
No, instead 2002 and 2004 had team orders at Ferrari and multiple races with manipulated results. Yay!?!
No, what? 2002/2004 cars didn't look and sound a lot better than today's cars?

And now you don't even need team orders because Bottas can't keep up most of the time. Not that Barrichello challenged Schumacher every race either.
But I think the point is that when Barrichello was able to win, Ferrari ordered 'la switcherooni'. See Austria '02. This year is maybe just as unchallenged, but at least there are no team orders at Mercedes. Bottas is free to win if he can.
:agreepost:

Correct, this is my point. I’m not disputing the look or sound of the cars, but Ferrari and Schumacher manipulated multiple races results be it through team orders (Austria, Nurburgring, etc...) or Schumacher trying to be clever (Indy) that the races weren’t truly races. Rubens was never a match for Michael on track and had a number two stipulation in his contract which meant he only won when 1) the team said he could stay ahead of Michael or 2) when Michael fucked up (China 2004).
I always regarded 2002 as the worst season, but a Williams won Round 2 and then a McLaren won round 7. So we had 3 different winners from 3 different teams in the first 7 rounds and it would have been 4 different winners if Barrichello had not been swapped on the line at Austria. That's better than 2 winners from 1 team like we have this year.
I would like to go on record that I don't think this year is better than 2002. I'm just saying that there were times Barrichello could beat Schumacher, but the team did not allow it. It's still too early to tell. It's possible that we could get some surprises yet and turn this 2019 around into something a bit better. The glass is half full so far. :roll:

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