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Re: Zandvoort to replace Barcelona from 2020

Post by Antonov » 2 months ago

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That said, by 2021, we'll all be crying. That's when Detroit can come back.
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Post by DoubleFart » 2 months ago

I love how you're all saying it follow the leader and no overtaking opportunities.

Traditional tracks with good overtaking aren't seeing overtaking because the cars can't follow.

No sense made.
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Post by XcraigX » 2 months ago

DoubleFart wrote:
2 months ago
I love how you're all saying it follow the leader and no overtaking opportunities.

Traditional tracks with good overtaking aren't seeing overtaking because the cars can't follow close enough.

No sense made.
You left out a very important part of that sentence. I fixed it.

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Post by Picci » 2 months ago

Well in some traditional tracks like Brazil they follow each other well because you can take different lines. It's the modern tracks that present problems with cars not following each other - e.g:

- the esses in China (sector 2)
- the stupid twist at the end-of-the-semi-backstraight in Russia at sector 2,
- the esses in Texas and the start of sector 2 (cars will be too far back to catch up by the end of the straight)
- all of sector 3 in Abu Dhabi

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 2 months ago

Heaven forbid they are thinking about using the dreadful track that Formula Milk Float use. Or WTCR .

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Post by Andy » 2 months ago

I'm not finding it now but years ago I said that F1 drove into a one way dead end street with their aerodynamics.
The cluelessness continues and the dead end comes closer now. Too bad really, that I got flamed about it back then but as I said back then too, it takes a couple years until it becomes clearer.
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Post by John » 2 months ago

Andy wrote:
2 months ago
I'm not finding it now but years ago I said that F1 drove into a one way dead end street with their aerodynamics.
The cluelessness continues and the dead end comes closer now. Too bad really, that I got flamed about it back then but as I said back then too, it takes a couple years until it becomes clearer.
I've been of the opinion that the cars have been aerodynamically flawed for nigh-on 17-18 years now.
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Post by kals » 2 months ago

John wrote:
2 months ago
Andy wrote:
2 months ago
I'm not finding it now but years ago I said that F1 drove into a one way dead end street with their aerodynamics.
The cluelessness continues and the dead end comes closer now. Too bad really, that I got flamed about it back then but as I said back then too, it takes a couple years until it becomes clearer.
I've been of the opinion that the cars have been aerodynamically flawed for nigh-on 17-18 years now.
For only 17-18 years? That's cute.

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Post by John » 2 months ago

kals wrote:
2 months ago
John wrote:
2 months ago
Andy wrote:
2 months ago
I'm not finding it now but years ago I said that F1 drove into a one way dead end street with their aerodynamics.
The cluelessness continues and the dead end comes closer now. Too bad really, that I got flamed about it back then but as I said back then too, it takes a couple years until it becomes clearer.
I've been of the opinion that the cars have been aerodynamically flawed for nigh-on 17-18 years now.
For only 17-18 years? That's cute.
My bad. I meant since 1968.
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Post by Michkov » 2 months ago

I'd say 1983

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Post by PTRACER » 2 months ago

John wrote:
2 months ago
Andy wrote:
2 months ago
I'm not finding it now but years ago I said that F1 drove into a one way dead end street with their aerodynamics.
The cluelessness continues and the dead end comes closer now. Too bad really, that I got flamed about it back then but as I said back then too, it takes a couple years until it becomes clearer.
I've been of the opinion that the cars have been aerodynamically flawed for nigh-on 17-18 years now.
I'd say this is about right. The aero development from 2004-2008 totally ruined F1 and then they hit the big reset button in 2009, but haven't done enough since.

On the other hand, people were complaining about aero and turbulence on the internet 20+ years ago:-

2002 - Boring race in Spain
1999 - F1 Needs changes. FAST!!
1996 - Surely we need to do something about this sport now

So does that mean we're going to complain about the same things forever? Because I would give ANYTHING to see 1996-1999 style F1 cars coming back. They looked and sounded so exciting and the racing was a billion times better.
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Post by erwin greven » 2 months ago

Noticed this:
> Here's my formula...
>
> 1. Bring back big slick tyres (more control in overtaking attempts)
> 2. Make the wings smaller (less affected by turbulence)
> 3. Increase under-body ground effects (venturi tunnels, etc)
> 4. Manual gear selection (bring back the stick!).
> 5. Ban tyre-changes during a race (driver forced to look after tyres)
> 6. Not sure about re-fueling...is that a good or bad thing?
We now have drivers who have to look after their tires the whole fkn race... I think it was @caneparo who said they tires should be a such that the drivers could attack the whole stint.
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Post by PTRACER » 2 months ago

erwin greven wrote:
2 months ago
Noticed this:
> Here's my formula...
>
> 1. Bring back big slick tyres (more control in overtaking attempts)
> 2. Make the wings smaller (less affected by turbulence)
> 3. Increase under-body ground effects (venturi tunnels, etc)
> 4. Manual gear selection (bring back the stick!).
> 5. Ban tyre-changes during a race (driver forced to look after tyres)
> 6. Not sure about re-fueling...is that a good or bad thing?
We now have drivers who have to look after their tires the whole fkn race... I think it was @caneparo who said they tires should be a such that the drivers could attack the whole stint.
We tried #5 already, remember?:



But yeah, I agree. It's not just the tyres that have to be saved, it's the fuel, it's the engines etc. Just as George Russell said a few races ago: "Sometimes you would go quicker driving at 98% than at 100%."

I'd revise that figure to 95%.
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Post by Vassago » 2 months ago

Pirelli got a lot of slack for answering FIA demands in creating less durable tires to provide 'excitement'. Have people forgotten about this already? A couple of tyre blowouts and we'll hear more whining about 'safety first'.

The ban on refuelling was supposed to force drivers to pass on track and don't follow different strategy and wait for the pitstop to make a move. Guess what, the undercut is still the name of the game! You don't need refuelling to play the pitstop strategy thing.

Moreover the "cost-saving" engine limits make teams go extra safe with calling strategy. Nobody's gonna risk using the engine life too much to finish 4th instead of 5th bc you get slapped with a grid penalty.
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Post by caneparo » 2 months ago

erwin greven wrote:
2 months ago
Noticed this:
> Here's my formula...
>
> 1. Bring back big slick tyres (more control in overtaking attempts)
> 2. Make the wings smaller (less affected by turbulence)
> 3. Increase under-body ground effects (venturi tunnels, etc)
> 4. Manual gear selection (bring back the stick!).
> 5. Ban tyre-changes during a race (driver forced to look after tyres)
> 6. Not sure about re-fueling...is that a good or bad thing?
We now have drivers who have to look after their tires the whole fkn race... I think it was @caneparo who said they tires should be a such that the drivers could attack the whole stint.
There s a point in tyre management, but it’s not possible to have every sunday a procession where all drivers drive 10 seconds slower than qualifying in order to avoid a pit stop. That’s what i mean
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