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Yes that s the funny thing...beside raikkonene completely ignoring lewis joke. He was so bored he put the off ear mode right then2018 Australian GP *SPOILERS*
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Here are my full thoughts on the race, enjoy (or not )
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Max had a bad start because RBR had done a bad tire choice. They chose harder tires than they should have done. Later RBR discovered that some parts were broken of Max' car. Even before his spin. That is why Max had a RB14 car that was ridiculously loose. Way too much oversteer and lost it therefore in T1.Red Bull’s Max Verstappen was caught napping by HAAS’ Kevin Magnussen, the Dane clean drove around the outside of the Dutchman to take fourth place.
Fast forward to lap 11, Verstappen, clearly pushing super hard, despite having oversteer issues to retake fourth place from Magnussen, did a little pirouette coming out of turn 1, allowing the second HAAS of Romain Grosjean and Red Bull teammate Daniel Ricciardo through into fifth and six places respectively.
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Max had a great start, the reason why Magnussen got around him into T1 was because he was boxed in by Vettel. As for the damage, that was caused by running wide at the fast chicane a few laps into the race.
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It's the same for everybody though, some teams just make better use of what they are allowed to do.caneparo wrote: ↑6 years agoYes indeed virtual sc is totally shit and it s not the first time it proves a huge advantage for the win of the race. Moreover the rule is so complicated. At sky italy they showed that the drivers are forced to take certain racing lines under vsc. But when they enter in the pit entrance lane they are free to drive as they want and that s where vettel took the crucial seconds to clear the gap from hamilton.kals wrote: ↑6 years ago Well that was bullshit, not only the race itself but also how the race was won. I’m all for jumbled up results yet Vettel jumped Kimi and Lewis (effectively turning an 11 second deficit into a lead), plus Alonso went from nothing to fifth during a period where a race is supposed to be neutralized. Under an SC I can understand, a VSC not.
I’m glad I didn’t get up and watch live.
I've a feeling what happened with the Merc strategy software was that whoever programmed it forgot about the unlimited pit in speed under VSC. It's a modelling error not a bug. Hats of to Ferrari for taking advantage of that.
What get's me more is the fact that it's the first race of the season and the battle for the win comes down to, "I've backed off to safe the engine". This is a ridiculous statement for the self styled top racing series in the world.
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Its better to say than 'I just gave up, I couldnt pass him anyway, however hard I tried, even with DRS and the engine turned up to the max.'
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Thanks for the write up .myownalias wrote: ↑6 years ago Here are my full thoughts on the race, enjoy (or not )
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Seb made up the time on Lewis because Lewis was stuck doing 50mph along the track instead of 160mph, but of course Ferrari did their usual 2.5 second stop and got him out, if you are 50 seconds behind someone doing 50mph, you're never going to cover the same amount of ground as you would at 160mph.
Why the TV is making this explanation unnecessarily complicated and trying to say driving in the pit lane gives you an advantage is stupid, it doesn't they still have a pit lane speed limit in force and the pit lane might only be 50meters shorter.
Simple solution is to close the pits when the VSC comes out, if you have to pit then you're held at the end of the pit lane until the last car has passed, but this is the FIA so they will come up with some utterly complicated and redicilious system like holding the car in the pit stall for X amount of seconds so as to artificially slow the pit stop down by however much percentage the on track drivers are slower while under VSC so as to maintain gaps, which will inevitably cause even more confusion and turn away more viewers and only work for one race until the teams work out another loophole in the system like it took Lewis and Danny Ric to work out how to close gaps under VSC.
Why the TV is making this explanation unnecessarily complicated and trying to say driving in the pit lane gives you an advantage is stupid, it doesn't they still have a pit lane speed limit in force and the pit lane might only be 50meters shorter.
Simple solution is to close the pits when the VSC comes out, if you have to pit then you're held at the end of the pit lane until the last car has passed, but this is the FIA so they will come up with some utterly complicated and redicilious system like holding the car in the pit stall for X amount of seconds so as to artificially slow the pit stop down by however much percentage the on track drivers are slower while under VSC so as to maintain gaps, which will inevitably cause even more confusion and turn away more viewers and only work for one race until the teams work out another loophole in the system like it took Lewis and Danny Ric to work out how to close gaps under VSC.
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As far as I understand it, it's not a question of the pit lane being faster necessarily, just that the difference between the pit straight speed and the pit lane speed is decreased in the event of a VSC (so instead of 200mph and 80mph say, it's 100mph and 80mph). So rather than being a quicker route, it's just a way of getting a cheap pit stop without losing quite as much time.myownalias wrote: ↑6 years ago it's bizarre that the pit lane is not governed by the VSC delta. Someone tweeted into Sky F1 and said, if the delta does not apply to the pitlane, then why don't all the drivers go through the pitlane during a VSC to gain time, which is a good question.
In order for this to be prevented they'd need to lower the limit in the pitlane even further in a VSC, or simply close the pitlane during that time, but that has associated safety implications I suppose. But anyway, safety car pit stops were always cheap, this isn't new to VSC and it's decided races in the past. It's just the luck of the draw, and it's an extra little incentive to those drivers who choose to pit later. Mercedes would have been aware of the risk when they pitted Lewis before Seb.
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Correct. That said, does anyone know what the average km/hr delta is?Circuitmaster wrote: ↑6 years ago As far as I understand it, it's not a question of the pit lane being faster necessarily, just that the difference between the pit straight speed and the pit lane speed is decreased in the event of a VSC (so instead of 200mph and 80mph say, it's 100mph and 80mph). So rather than being a quicker route, it's just a way of getting a cheap pit stop without losing quite as much time.
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I thought it was because you had to hit a certain point between sectors, and so you can absolutely blast it at full pace through the final three turns knowing that you'll be under the pit limiter and then stationary for 2.5 seconds and it'll bring your delta average back below the legal limit.
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So Merc, or any of the teams claim they were not using any fancy qualy modes? The slowest qualifying time of any car, Gasly's Torro Rosso, was a 1:25.292.... basically 4 seconds off Hamilton's pole. Obviously we dont expect race laps to be on par with qualy laps but...
Yet Gasly's qualy time was still almost a second faster than any driver recorded in the race. After qualy we scoffed at his lack of pace.
Even when the race leaders had the engines turned up in their respective battles on low fuel near the race end they were unable to get within much under a second of Gasly's qualy time. Fastest race lap was 1 lap just scraped into the 25's. All others were into the 26's, Max nearer 27.
Race fastest laps:
Driver Time Gap Lap
1 Daniel RICCIARDO 1'25''945 54
2 Kimi RAIKKONEN 1'26''373 0.428 57
3 Lewis HAMILTON 1'26''444 0.499 50
4 Sebastian VETTEL 1'26''469 0.524 53
5 Max VERSTAPPEN 1'26''880 0.935 54
Is this the effect of the qualifying modes and performance available in qualy modes with the allowed oil burn, or a case of the ridiculous 3 engines per season rule forcing the teams to so detune their engines in the races to such a degree they might as well be on an economy drive or a regularity trial?
Either answer is a ridiculous state of affairs.
Yet Gasly's qualy time was still almost a second faster than any driver recorded in the race. After qualy we scoffed at his lack of pace.
Even when the race leaders had the engines turned up in their respective battles on low fuel near the race end they were unable to get within much under a second of Gasly's qualy time. Fastest race lap was 1 lap just scraped into the 25's. All others were into the 26's, Max nearer 27.
Race fastest laps:
Driver Time Gap Lap
1 Daniel RICCIARDO 1'25''945 54
2 Kimi RAIKKONEN 1'26''373 0.428 57
3 Lewis HAMILTON 1'26''444 0.499 50
4 Sebastian VETTEL 1'26''469 0.524 53
5 Max VERSTAPPEN 1'26''880 0.935 54
Is this the effect of the qualifying modes and performance available in qualy modes with the allowed oil burn, or a case of the ridiculous 3 engines per season rule forcing the teams to so detune their engines in the races to such a degree they might as well be on an economy drive or a regularity trial?
Either answer is a ridiculous state of affairs.
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We have discussed the naffness of the in-car shots this year due to the halo. Interesting to see Kimi had a nose cone camera on his car. Here is the start and first few corners from that angle.
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It varies, it's a time delta not a speed one, which is why you see Lewis speed up as he passes into a segment and then slows to walking pace just before exiting it to make sure he doesn't pass through the segment too fast, he does this, not to keep temps up, but if they happen to throw the green before he has slowed down, he makes up a lot of time, it's how Danny Ric managed to pass all those guys in Texas that time.MonteCristo wrote: ↑6 years agoCorrect. That said, does anyone know what the average km/hr delta is?Circuitmaster wrote: ↑6 years ago As far as I understand it, it's not a question of the pit lane being faster necessarily, just that the difference between the pit straight speed and the pit lane speed is decreased in the event of a VSC (so instead of 200mph and 80mph say, it's 100mph and 80mph). So rather than being a quicker route, it's just a way of getting a cheap pit stop without losing quite as much time.
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From memory wasn't that 2015 when Rosberg used a VSC to close down Ricciardo by multiple seconds and then jump him on the restart?