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What can we expect from McLaren at the start of 2018

- Qualify inside the top 10
5
25%
- At least one car retires in Melbourne
4
20%
- One car finishes in the points in Melbourne
2
10%
- Podium finish
0
No votes
- Reliability issues from winter testing remain unsolved
3
15%
- Worst of the Renault powered teams
4
20%
- Neither car scores points at any of the first few races
0
No votes
- Neither car finishes any of the first few races
1
5%
- Renault get the blame
1
5%
 
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Bottom post of the previous page:

“Resigns”

Yeah

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Im sure Iread somewhere recently him saying he had no intentions of resigning. 24 hours in F1 is a long time,

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 5 years ago Im sure Iread somewhere recently him saying he had no intentions of resigning. 24 hours in F1 is a long time,
Brown - We need to make some changes to the management, so we’d like to ask for your resignation
Boullier - Non
Brown - How about if we offer you this bag full of cash? Would that persuade you to resign?
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Say what you want about Ron Dennis, but his leadership worked for McLaren.
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Antonov wrote: 5 years ago Say what you want about Ron Dennis, but his leadership worked for McLaren.
Who brought Honda in? Dennis! We saw how great that worked.
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erwin greven wrote: 5 years ago
Antonov wrote: 5 years ago Say what you want about Ron Dennis, but his leadership worked for McLaren.
Who brought Honda in? Dennis! We saw how great that worked.
As in it becoming trustworthy enough for a top team to sign up for it?
Poorly managed by McLaren. Had it been Dennis, it would have worked out as well.
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De Ferran sporting director?? This is F1 not indy!

Edit: Remembered he had some role in BAR before. Completely forgot that. Still not sure he is the man for the job though!
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Picci wrote: 5 years ago De Ferran sporting director?? This is F1 not indy!

Edit: Remembered he had some role in BAR before. Completely forgot that. Still not sure he is the man for the job though!
Jobs for the boys.... De Ferran is a mate of Zak Brown! He was originally brought in as a consultant / advisor on Indycar AFAIK.

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erwin greven wrote: 5 years ago
Antonov wrote: 5 years ago Say what you want about Ron Dennis, but his leadership worked for McLaren.
Who brought Honda in? Dennis! We saw how great that worked.
I thought Whitmarsh was responsible for that?

Regardless of who is was, they were never allowed to finish the project, other people took over so how great something worked out, may not necessarily reflect directly on who it was that introduced the concept to the team because past the signing, they were booted out.
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De Ferran also ran (and drove for) his own Acura LMP2 team in ALMS back in 2008 or so for a few years and did well. Is that enough cred to run a once-great F1 team? Only time will tell.
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According to authoritative sources, Kimi-McLaren is a serious option for 2019.

Read more: https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/900432 ... en-f1-2019
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Antonov wrote: 5 years ago According to authoritative sources

www.crash.net
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kals wrote: 5 years ago
Antonov wrote: 5 years ago According to authoritative sources

www.crash.net
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erwin greven wrote: 5 years ago
kals wrote: 5 years ago
Antonov wrote: 5 years ago According to authoritative sources

www.crash.net
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...more backtracking.
Autosport.com wrote:Fernando Alonso believes McLaren lost out to Formula 1 rule changes over the winter that cost the team downforce it has been unable to recover.

The FIA has clamped down on exhaust blowing and monkey seats, impacting an area in which McLaren had made gains, and it's understood that has been one of the major issues that the team has faced with the MCL33.

Last week in Austria former racing director Eric Boullier hinted that rule changes had an impact: "I will not explain publicly what's wrong. There are some differences in the regulations, and if you dig into it you might understand why."

Team boss Zak Brown admitted at Silverstone the 2018 chassis does not have as much downforce as its predecessor, which in effect means that the team has not been able to benefit as much as it expected to from the switch from Honda to Renault power.

"This year we lost some devices that were in the cars last year, at the back of the cars," said Alonso.

"The team probably didn't find the way to find more performance of downforce in the car or recover the losses from the rules changes.

"I think we lost a little bit of ground there in the chassis area on the aerodynamics side.

"We are trying to maximise every session, every Friday every FP1 to analyse, collect the data, and move forward, with different ideas.

"Also there are some trends in the pitlane with different cars which give us also an input in a direction as well.

"Unfortunately we lost a little bit there, and probably we gained on the power unit side, especially in terms of reliability we finished most of the races this year.

"The races we didn't finish was mostly a chassis DNF. We want to recover the chassis performance or the aerodynamic performance that we had in the past."

Asked what was needed to turn the situation around Alonso made it clear that some updates for the MCL33 have not worked as planned.

"Some of them work fine, some of them maybe you need more time or you find a nice surprise, a bad surprise that gives you some directions to go," he said. "It's probably our biggest weakness now, our biggest issue.

"In Spain we brought a package, new front wing and new nose. It was quite innovative and we made a step forward.

"We need to keep that kind of approach. Keep bringing new parts and out-developing the competition off-track.

"On-track it's always difficult and there will be a very competitive midfield group until the end of the year. But the off-track race is where we need to make the difference."
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