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“Autosport.com” wrote:Force India could run under a new identity this season in Formula 1 if the FIA is satisfied that relevant legal issues have been properly addressed.

It is understood that the team may be allowed by the FIA to run under its usual name at Spa if a situation with the new entry cannot be resolved in time.

An unexpected situation arose last week when plans for a consortium led by Lawrence Stroll to take the team out of administration could not be completed within the two-week deadline, mainly because of legal problems surrounding shareholders Vijay Mallya and the Sahara Group.

Consent from 13 Indian banks was required for the deal to go through, while it is understood that there was also a lien from drinks company Diageo in relation to a loan made to Mallya.

Failed bidder Urakali suggested on Tuesday that the sale process was flawed, noting that "despite expiration of the deadline set by the Administrator, no rescue plan was submitted to the court for approval, which confirmed Uralkali's view that the rescue option was not achievable in the timeline and under conditions proposed by the administrator."

Late last week Stroll switched strategy and bought the assets of the team - its cars, Silverstone factory, equipment and everything required to run a team.

The actual entry in theory still belongs to Force India, which remains in administration but now has no physical assets.

The entry is usually regarded as a valuable element of any team sale, but the move by Renault, McLaren and Williams to block the transfer of commercial rights to Force India's new owners, meaning the team would not get the prize money it accrued in recent seasons, had already created a stumbling block.

This meant making a fresh start was not as much of a penalty as it would otherwise have been.

Although FIA sporting regulations specify teams have to enter for the following season by November 30, Article 8.1 appears to leave the door open for changes at a later date.

It reads: "Applications at other times will only be considered if a place is available and on payment of a late entry fee to be fixed by the FIA. Entry forms will be made available by the FIA who will notify the applicant of the result of the application within thirty days of its receipt."

A space is therefore available as the new team will replace itself, and in the context of the overall deal a late entry fee will be a minor consideration for Stroll.

The process of creating a new entry from an existing team is a complex one, with the Concorde Agreement to be considered as well as FIA regulations.

One legal complication is that an F1 team's entry has to be submitted via an ASN, which would previously have been India's.

Force India logos and references to Vijay Mallya's companies Kingfisher and UB Group were stripped from trucks and signage at Spa on Wednesday.
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Latest reports from racefans.net suggest their entry for this weekend at Spa is in jeopardy. It seems the removal of all Mallya brands from the transporter is clearly an attempt to distance the team from its previous owner VJ and Sahara. Hopefully some compromise will take place and the cars will start without issues. It is now very clear why Stroll is drriving for Williams and not FI this weekend as was rumoured tobe an option last week.

Legal problems may stop Force India from racing in Belgian Grand Prix

The Force India Formula 1 team may be denied entry for this weekend’s Belgian Grand Prix unless the team’s legal status is clarified, RaceFans has learned.

The team’s operating company, Force India Forms One Team Limited (reg. no. 02417588), went into administration in the run-up to the Hungarian Grand Prix after a company linked to driver Sergio Perez triggered the process over unpaid 2017 monies. FRP Advisory were appointed to administer the team until a buyer could be found.

The administrators were hopeful of saving the team through a sale as a going concern during Formula 1’s summer break, with at least five interested parties said to be interested in acquiring the team.
According to a 7 August statement issued by FRP Advisory a deal to save the team was agreed between the administrators, senior members of the team’s management and a group of investors led by Canadian fashion mogul Lawrence Stroll, father of Williams F1 driver Lance.

However, due to legal issues surrounding the majority shareholders Vijay Mallya and Subrata Roy, who jointly owned 85 per cent of Force India Limited, consent from 13 Indian creditor banks was required to close the sale of the company.

According to sources such consent was not received in time. Therefore the sale was completed on an asset sale basis, and not as a going concern, which means the team must enter and race as a new entity.

In addition, Force India stands to forfeit its accrued share of F1’s revenues unless all teams agree to a concession. Three teams are said to have withheld their approval.

At present Force India Limited holds the entry for Sahara Force India, but has no assets, while the Stroll consortium owns the hardware – including the cars – but has no entry. Unless this situation is resolved the team could be denied entry for this weekend’s grand prix at Spa-Francorchamps. First practice for the race begins in less than 48 hours.

The sport’s governing body, the FIA, is understood to be studying the legal implications of the situation, and is expected to issue a statement.

Another company controlled by Russian oligarch Dmitry Mazepin, one of the unsuccessful bidders for Force India, this week questioned the sale process to Stroll and partners. However, Force India’s latest predicament is not thought to be related to the challenge by Uralkali and would have arisen regardless of buyer.

The team has not issued any media releases since the post-Hungarian Grand Prix test, nor provided any indication as to its management structure. A spokesperson for Force India would not immediately comment on the situation.

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:omg: more political BS drama in F1, just what we needed! Looks like Perez might have inadvertently shafted himself then!
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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 5 years ago Latest reports from racefans.net suggest their entry for this weekend at Spa is in jeopardy. It seems the removal of all Mallya brands from the transporter is clearly an attempt to distance the team from its previous owner VJ and Sahara. Hopefully some compromise will take place and the cars will start without issues. It is now very clear why Stroll is drriving for Williams and not FI this weekend as was rumoured tobe an option last week.

Legal problems may stop Force India from racing in Belgian Grand Prix

The Force India Formula 1 team may be denied entry for this weekend’s Belgian Grand Prix unless the team’s legal status is clarified, RaceFans has learned.

The team’s operating company, Force India Forms One Team Limited (reg. no. 02417588), went into administration in the run-up to the Hungarian Grand Prix after a company linked to driver Sergio Perez triggered the process over unpaid 2017 monies. FRP Advisory were appointed to administer the team until a buyer could be found.

The administrators were hopeful of saving the team through a sale as a going concern during Formula 1’s summer break, with at least five interested parties said to be interested in acquiring the team.
According to a 7 August statement issued by FRP Advisory a deal to save the team was agreed between the administrators, senior members of the team’s management and a group of investors led by Canadian fashion mogul Lawrence Stroll, father of Williams F1 driver Lance.

However, due to legal issues surrounding the majority shareholders Vijay Mallya and Subrata Roy, who jointly owned 85 per cent of Force India Limited, consent from 13 Indian creditor banks was required to close the sale of the company.

According to sources such consent was not received in time. Therefore the sale was completed on an asset sale basis, and not as a going concern, which means the team must enter and race as a new entity.

In addition, Force India stands to forfeit its accrued share of F1’s revenues unless all teams agree to a concession. Three teams are said to have withheld their approval.

At present Force India Limited holds the entry for Sahara Force India, but has no assets, while the Stroll consortium owns the hardware – including the cars – but has no entry. Unless this situation is resolved the team could be denied entry for this weekend’s grand prix at Spa-Francorchamps. First practice for the race begins in less than 48 hours.

The sport’s governing body, the FIA, is understood to be studying the legal implications of the situation, and is expected to issue a statement.

Another company controlled by Russian oligarch Dmitry Mazepin, one of the unsuccessful bidders for Force India, this week questioned the sale process to Stroll and partners. However, Force India’s latest predicament is not thought to be related to the challenge by Uralkali and would have arisen regardless of buyer.

The team has not issued any media releases since the post-Hungarian Grand Prix test, nor provided any indication as to its management structure. A spokesperson for Force India would not immediately comment on the situation.
This is the same information I posted above but told with a totally different slant. This one = negative. Autosport = positive.
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kals wrote: 5 years ago
This is the same information I posted above but told with a totally different slant. This one = negative. Autosport = positive.
Agreed a lot of the info is down to interpretation of the facts. Plus the mention of 'what might happen if...' scenarios.

One thing I dont understand is that it clearly says Stroll has bought all the asserts, yet it seems he does not have the actual entry, which remains with FI. Surely the actual entry and acceptance to race is one of the key assets of any team. You can have all the best drivers best engines superb chassis, best staff, best resources, but without an entry you have sweet FA in terms of going racing..

To take the old to finish first first you must finish cliche a bit further you could say you are not going to finish full stop , let alone first, if you dont start. :whistling:

Bottom line is whether you look at the info from a positive or negative outlook, it is a shitfight that we could do without. We want more cars racing, not fewer.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 5 years ago Bottom line is whether you look at the info from a positive or negative outlook, it is a shitfight that we could do without. We want more cars racing, not fewer.
Especially when it's one of the teams that really add to the midfield battle, consistently finishing in the top 10.
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myownalias wrote: 5 years ago
Everso Biggyballies wrote: 5 years ago Bottom line is whether you look at the info from a positive or negative outlook, it is a shitfight that we could do without. We want more cars racing, not fewer.
Especially when it's one of the teams that really add to the midfield battle, consistently finishing in the top 10.
Indeed one that has added much to the racing over its few years in its FI guise.... one who I have become a firm supporter of as they have increased my enjoyment of F1 beyond what it would have been.

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The trucks are there, but all stickering has been removed. There is no more 'Force India' as far as I understand.
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Antonov wrote: 5 years ago The trucks are there, but all stickering has been removed. There is no more 'Force India' as far as I understand.
Except they still hold the entrants licence allowing that team to take part. Force India just no longer own the cars and other assets to use in their entry.

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What a wonderful mess.

We have one team with two drivers, facilities, trucks and cars. But no right to race in F1. And another with absolutely nothing in terms of equipment, but the right to start a race. Work something out, for fucks sake.
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Calling Bernie... Bernie? You out there?
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Manfred Cubenoggin wrote: 5 years ago Calling Bernie... Bernie? You out there?
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Manfred Cubenoggin wrote: 5 years ago Calling Bernie... Bernie? You out there?
It's ok, Bernie never saved any of the other teams that were in dire straights and kept on plying money to the big teams so why would he be the best person to help Force India? The only time he did get involved was with Phoenix, and we all remember how successful that was don't we.
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Thats not strictly true. Didn't Bernie try to use his own money.... ie not from the FIA fund) to save Minardi in Stoddart's days. I think it may not have transpired due to the EEC getting exited over personal involvement and he ended up opening a few doors that helped the team secure funding. Certainly Williams accepted a prize money advance of £14.5m from Ecclestone back in the day which helped the team to stay on track.

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Everso Biggyballies wrote: 5 years ago Thats not strictly true. Didn't Bernie try to use his own money.... ie not from the FIA fund) to save Minardi in Stoddart's days. I think it may not have transpired due to the EEC getting exited over personal involvement and he ended up opening a few doors that helped the team secure funding. Certainly Williams accepted a prize money advance of £14.5m from Ecclestone back in the day which helped the team to stay on track.
In his time Bernie allowed many teams to fall by the wayside. Even since the turn of the century we’ve lost Prost, Arrows, HRT, Lotus/Caterham, Marussia/Manor while Force India, Sauber and a few others have been on the breadline. What he did do was extend early prize money payouts for a couple of the teams yet those same teams complained to the EU Commission about F1 / Bernie regarding the equitable distribution of revenue.

I don’t recall Bernie using his money with Minardi, I could be wrong however. But then the cynical side of me questions what ‘his money’ was.
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