3 engine limit for 2018 confirmed.

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3 engine limit for 2018 confirmed.

Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 week ago

Despite most teams (all bar Ferrari) wanting to not drop to a 3 engine limit due to the high number of grid penalties accrued in 2017 with the 4 engine limit, the FIA has confirmed that the limit will be dropped to 3 for the season. Thank you Ferrari for fucking up the already draconian engine limits even further. The FIA has confirmed that without all teams agreeing to retaining the 4 engine limit it was compelled to go ahead with the reduction to 3. :roll:

In essence, with a 21 race calendar that means each engine will have to last for 7 races as opposed to 5 in 2017 (20 races, 4 engines)
FIA president Jean Todt has ruled out changes to the three-engine limit in Formula 1 next year.
Red Bull Racing Team Principal Christian Horner has made repeated attempts to have the change called off.
He claims that to reduce the limit from four engines to three is “barking mad” given the spate of grid penalties for engine changes already.
However, not all teams agree that the rules need changing, and with Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne knocking back the idea in a recent Strategy Group meeting there is no hope of a change.
Todt said he was as unhappy as other people about the extent that some teams had been hit with grid penalties this year, but he said without all teams wanting to change things there was nothing that could be done.
“It is something that was decided,” explained Todt. “Some people are still thinking, why don’t we have one engine for the whole championship?
“It is not something that is new. It was decided years ago for 2018.
“We had some meetings with teams and the way the regulations are made and the governance are made, to decide now to go back to four engines, or let’s go back, we need to be in 100 percent agreement.
“And we don’t get 100 percent agreement, so we are down to three engines.”
Todt said that F1 had no option but to cut back on engines because when it was a free-for-all, costs had got out of control, and smaller teams would never be able to afford customer deals.
“I don’t feel it is easy to find the right solution,” he said. “If you don’t do anything, it will be more expensive to buy the engines.
“For the FIA to decide that you don’t have limited amount of engines, it won’t be a problem, but it would be a problem for the competitors.”
Horner remains unhappy about the situation for 2018, but is well aware that with Ferrari so adamant it won’t consider a rule change, there is little he can do.
“Sergio shot it down last time. There is no chance for next year,” he said.
When asked how worried he now was for 2018, the RBR boss said, “There will be plenty of grid penalties next year and what you would hate to have is a championship decided on grid penalties.
“We are getting to the point where with 21 races for three engines – it is nuts really.”
Responding to comments from Mercedes boss Toto Wolff that Red Bull only had itself to blame for the three-engine limit because it had campaigned so hard for engine costs to come down, Horner said, “Whatever Toto says, his non-executive chairman (Niki Lauda) was arguing for four engines earlier in the year because it is a false economy.
“Those (additional) engines go on a world tour, they are here anyway.”

Grid Penalty changes.

In addition in an attempt to simplify the penalty system and difficulty this year in determining the starting grid, anyone who needs a new engine for qualy and race will automatically start rear of grid. More than one requiring engine changes means they will start rear of grid in the order of failure.

There are a few other rule changes regarding oil used as fuel and safety car restart procedures, along with halo spin offs such as mirror and camera location.
The FIA also briefly outlined other changes being put into the regulations for 2018.
These include:
Regulations relating to procedures for starting or resuming a race behind the safety car
Changing the event timetable to increase flexibility
Ensuring that testing of previous cars may only take place on tracks currently holding an FIA Grade 1 or 1T licence
Provision for demonstration events in previous cars which does not constitute testing. No such demonstrations may exceed 50km in length and only tyres manufactured specifically for this purpose by the appointed supplier may be used
Changes to ensure that oil cannot be used as fuel
Introduction of a detailed specification for oil
A minimum weight and volume for energy storage (batteries)
Changes to position of cameras and wing mirrors to accommodate the halo
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Post by MonteCristo » 1 week ago

Great. Just fkn great.
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Post by MonteCristo » 1 week ago

“Some people are still thinking, why don’t we have one engine for the whole championship?"
- Jean Todt
Who? Name names.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 1 week ago

MonteCristo wrote:
1 week ago

Who? Name names.
1. J.Todt. (I suspect)
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Post by John » 1 week ago

What the hell is wrong with the majority vote system? This is something Liberty media should sort out.
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John wrote:
1 week ago
What the hell is wrong with the majority vote system? This is something Liberty media should sort out.
It doesn't even need to be 50% +1. Something like 70% or 80% would be so much better. You just need one trouble maker with this stupid system.
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Post by myownalias » 1 week ago

I can't say that I am shocked or even surprised, the FIA has been barking up the wrong tree for years now.

The penalty system needs to be dropped, clearly, it does not work, instead of seeing the top drivers dueling for the top step of the podium, we are seeing drivers making recovery drives from the back to the grid to finish 3rd at best.

Yes, it's exciting to see Hamilton, Vettel or Verstappen carving their way through the field, but c'mon, we want a battle for the win!
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Post by Ian-S » 1 week ago

The only decent thing on that list is banning oil being used as fuel, wonder if that will peg Merc back a bit since that was their magic bullet.
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Post by kals » 1 week ago

Ian-S wrote:
1 week ago
The only decent thing on that list is banning oil being used as fuel, wonder if that will peg Merc back a bit since that was their magic bullet.
Magic bullet has a completely different meaning at Honda... :whistling:

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