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Will Kimi Raikkonen win a GP before the end of his career?

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Will Kimi Raikkonen win a GP before the end of his career?

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Re: Will Kimi Raikkonen win a GP before the end of his career?

Post by kals » 9 months ago

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Kimi walked away from Lotus because he was fed up of working for free.

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Post by PTRACER » 9 months ago

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I do wonder if Kimi will complete 2020. We saw with Lotus that he's not afraid to walk away, and if he's just lapping at the back of the midfield then is it enough?
I spend more time wondering when Hamilton will get bored of winning and retire. I wouldn't be surprised if he announces his retirement this year after he wins the championship, or the end of next year at the very latest when his Mercedes contract officially runs out.
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Post by DoubleFart » 9 months ago

I think Hamilton will do next year, then make a decision based on where he is against Schumacher.

10 wins left to move ahead, 2 championships to tie. He'll probably tick off at least one more win this year, and he'll get the championship, but could be as close as 6 wins and 1 championship away in 6 weeks time. If he wins the championship next year he'll have taken at least 6, if not 8 wins to do it.

Do the 2021 season, see the new rules, see how Formula E has developed, how he's fared against Schumacher...
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Post by PTRACER » 9 months ago

That's the problem. If he gives up next year he can only equal Schumacher, not categorically beat him.

It's kind of frustrating to know that during the last 23 years I have followed F1, 13 of those seasons have been won by only two drivers.
17 of them by three drivers if you include Vettel. I always hoped Schumacher's records would stand head and shoulders above the rest for all time.
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Post by DoubleFart » 9 months ago

I wish Hamilton's engine hadn't packed up in Malaysia.
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Post by erwin greven » 9 months ago

Glad it did.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 9 months ago

kals wrote:
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Kimi walked away from Lotus because he was fed up of working for free.
And also because he needed back surgery which would need recovery time.... he chose to leave Renault (who as @kals said were not paying him ) and have the surgery before the season end so he would be fully fit and recovered in time to start back with Ferrari. (He had the back surgery in early November, soon after Abu Dhabi and prior to the USGP.)

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Post by XcraigX » 9 months ago

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Glad it did.
Curious on this one.
Do you feel Rosberg was the better driver? Or just that it broke up the monotony of Hamilton winning everything?
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Post by erwin greven » 9 months ago

It broke the monotony of Hamilton. I was a fan of the underdog Rosberg. And still i think that an engine failure is part of motorsports. Rosberg also lost valuable points because of failures of the car. Throttle stuck at the Russian GP and gearbox problems at Silverstone comes in mind. Maybe not in the same year, but its part of motorsports.
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Post by PTRACER » 9 months ago

Didn't we have discussions at the time asking "Did Rosberg deserve this championship?" I'm pretty sure a lot of us said no.
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Post by erwin greven » 9 months ago

Yes. And I am one of the few who thinks that he deserved the championship.
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erwin greven wrote:
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Yes. And I am one of the few who thinks that he deserved the championship.
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Post by kals » 9 months ago

Nico wasn't an undeserving champion, there is no such thing. I would have preferred Lewis to win the title that year and he was clearly the better driver but Nico had more points.

Some titles have winners who worked harder than their peers, some titles have winners who haven't. There are plenty of examples of both through F1 history. When you look back at Nico's career and regardless of how you dissect it (and we, including me, have done so at length) he still has a champions trophy with his name on it.

Urgh, can't believe I said all that. I feel dirty.

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Nico wasn't an undeserving champion, there is no such thing.
There are some people who say his father was an undeserving champion as well. He basically picked up enough of the crumbs to be the champion pigeon, after the best driver in the field killed himself, his team mate smashed up his legs and none of the turbo cars could make it to the end of the races due to unreliability. 1982 should have been Prost's year.
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Post by XcraigX » 9 months ago

"Deserve" is such a subjective word. Nico, like his father before him, became champion through consistency while his competitors were suffering from bad luck or unreliability. What makes 2016 so unique is that it had been a while since the fastest driver in the fastest car did not win. 2007 was also a good example of that (it should have been Alonso or Hamilton). But you need to go back to the 80s when it happened on a regular basis. Championships in the 60s, 70s and 80s were way more inconsistent than championships from the 90s, 00s, and 10s and I think we have become spoiled (and it may be what was so much more appealing about the sport back then). Within the first 5 races, we know who the champion will be in recent years. Back in 1982 it was anyone's guess.

This may be the wrong thread, but I like that we are having a mature conversation about it! :happy:
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Post by kals » 9 months ago

PTRACER wrote:
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kals wrote:
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Nico wasn't an undeserving champion, there is no such thing.
There are some people who say his father was an undeserving champion as well. He basically picked up enough of the crumbs to be the champion pigeon, after the best driver in the field killed himself, his team mate smashed up his legs and none of the turbo cars could make it to the end of the races due to unreliability. 1982 should have been Prost's year.
Prost 1982
Prost 1983
Prost 1984
Mansell 1986
Senna 1989
Senna 1993
Hill 1994
Schumacher 1997
Montoya 2003
Raikkonen 2005

...the list could go on. Instead I'll just repost this bit
kals wrote:
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Some titles have winners who worked harder than their peers, some titles have winners who haven't. There are plenty of examples of both through F1 history.
XcraigX wrote:
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"Deserve" is such a subjective word. Nico, like his father before him, became champion through consistency while his competitors were suffering from bad luck or unreliability.
Indeed. Well said.
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This may be the wrong thread, but I like that we are having a mature conversation about it! :happy:
Here's the original thread from a few years back

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