Robert Kubica - Could he replace Palmer in 2017?

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Re: Robert Kubica - Could he replace Palmer in 2017?

Post by Picci » 3 months ago

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-r ... er-918842/

In essence the article says that Palmer is not good enough right now.

I think that FiA will give Kubica some sort of dispensation to be able to race - like adding some feature or button in the steering wheel which enables him to turn easier into a tight corner. I'm sure it is possible to install such a thing. The other drivers will complain he's been given an advantage, but then again in other sports (e.g. paralympics) these dispensations are given too. Nannini and Zanardi were offered something similar in the past, weren't they?

I think we'll see Kubica back this year.

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Post by erwin greven » 3 months ago

Why should they get Kubica back in that car? There are a lot of other drivers.
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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 3 months ago

To be honest I think Kubica has as much chance of getting that seat as Palmer has of keeping it.
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Post by John » 2 months ago

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opini ... ubica-test

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 2 months ago

AKA They have not quite milked the PR opportunity dry yet.... at a time when they have little else to bragg about.
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f1today.net wrote:Sainz set to replace Palmer at Renault in Hungary as Red Bull sever ties

Red Bull Racing has reportedly severed ties with its driver, Carlos Sainz Jr, and the Spaniard is no longer involved in the future of the Austrian team. This is according Germany's Auto Bild after Sainz has criticized Red Bull and Toro Rosso in recent weeks in a number of different interviews.

With Red Bull reportedly severing connections with Sainz, the team will let the driver move to Renault, despite holding a contract with Toro Rosso for the Hungarian Grand Prix. Currently, Renault's Managing Director, Cyril Abiteboul, and Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko are negotiating a deal to get Sainz out of his Toro Rosso contract, although the Enstone-based team would have to raise an expected $8 million.

If Renault are able to raise this amount of money, Sainz would replace Jolyon Palmer at Renault for the Hungarian Grand Prix to partner Nico Hulkenberg, while Red Bull Junior Pierre Gasly would replace Sainz at Toro Rosso.

"If a driver does not want to stay, if the love is extinguished, you can not force a contract with contracts, you should let go," said Red Bull CEO Dietrich Mateschitz when talking to Auto Bild at the Austrian Grand Prix last week.
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Post by caneparo » 2 months ago

Robert kubica will test renault 2017 f1 car in hungaroring at official f1 testing session
It s clear that renault is evaluating his return at palmers expenses
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Post by Antonov » 2 months ago

But where does Palmer go then?
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Post by caneparo » 2 months ago

Kubika will test with the young drivers on 1 or 2 august
Palmer is not allowed, and i m sire renault would love getting rid of him
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Antonov wrote:
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But where does Palmer go then?
Join Chilton in Indycar. Or LMP2. Who cares? Delete as applicable. :wink:
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Post by kals » 2 months ago

Everso Biggyballies wrote:
2 months ago
Antonov wrote:
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But where does *blank* go then?
Join *blank* in Indycar. Or LMP2. Who cares? Delete as applicable. :wink:
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Post by kals » 2 months ago

caneparo wrote:
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Kubika will test with the young drivers on 1 or 2 august
Palmer is not allowed, and i m sire renault would love getting rid of him
I heard this wasn't going to happen because something about Kubica not being eligible under the young driver rules.

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Post by caneparo » 2 months ago

There was a rumor in the las days and the commentator at sky said he would test. I d take carlo vanzini at sky as a reliable source, despite all legitimate doubts one can have about this test
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Autosport.com wrote:The line-up for the Formula 1's post-Hungarian Grand Prix test is starting to fall into place, but all eyes are on the possibility of Renault running Robert Kubica.

Renault is weighing up whether to give Kubica a first run in its 2017 F1 car to further evaluate whether he has the potential to make a grand prix comeback next year.

Kubica has impressed in two private tests he has done in a 2012 car so far, but Renault still wants to know more about how he will perform in contemporary machinery.

F1's strict test rules mean that opportunities to run Kubica in a current car are extremely limited, and are further complicated by the fact that he will not count as a rookie driver despite his years away from F1.

The FIA regulations demand that two of the four in-season test days are completed by drivers who have competed in no more than two grands prix. Kubica completed 76 races in his career for BMW Sauber and Renault.

With Renault having already run Nico Hulkenberg for one day in Bahrain, it faces a dilemma over whether to give Kubica an outing at the expense of current driver Jolyon Palmer.

GP2 race winner Nihcolas Latifi is set to run on the day that Palmer or Kubica do not do.

The only other way that Renault could run Kubica would be in a totally separate acclimitisation test, which is allowed in the rules if a team elects to substitute a driver.

Kubica would be qualified to do this - because he has not raced in F1 for two years - and it would have to take place on a track that does not host an F1 race.

Should the test go ahead and Renault decides in the end that Kubica is not ready to compete, then the rule would mean it loses one of its pre-season test days for 2018.

The rookie stipulation means that the line-up for the Hungaroring test has plenty of youngsters drivers on board - including GP3 points leader George Russell getting a double outing for Mercedes because the team used Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas in Bahrain.

Red Bull is set to use Pierre Gasly and Max Verstappen, while at Ferrari Formula 2 leader Charles Leclerc will share the running with Kimi Raikkonen.

Force India announced earlier on Tuesday that it would be running DTM racer Lucas Auer and European Formula 3 driver Nikita Mazepin, while Williams is considering running simulator driver Gary Paffett again alongside Felipe Massa.

F3 frontrunner Lando Norris could get his first outing for McLaren, with Stoffel Vandoorne expected to run on the other day, while other rookies set to appear are F2 pair Gustav Malja and Nobuharu Matsushita at Sauber.

How the Hungary test line-up could look

Mercedes: George Russell
Red Bull: Pierre Gasly, Max Verstappen
Ferrari: Kimi Raikkonen, Charles Leclerc
Force India: Lucas Auer, Nikita Mazepin
Williams: Felipe Massa, Gary Paffett?
McLaren: Stoffel Vandoorne, Lando Norris
Renault: Nicholas Latifi, Robert Kubica?
Toro Rosso: Sean Gelael, Carlos Sainz Jr/Daniil Kvyat
Haas: Santino Ferrucci
Sauber: Gustav Malja, Nobuharu Matsushita

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Post by Everso Biggyballies » 2 months ago

Kubica confirmed for Budapest test.

Apparently this news is now being confirmed in some Euro press. I am still not convinced he is up to making a full time return to F1. AFAIK he has still not passed the test that is required to qualify for a Superlicense..... namely to demonstrate to the FIA that he can get out of the car within five seconds.
Kubica, 32, will indeed drive this year's Renault at the Hungaroring on July 31 -- the day after the grand prix.

In recent weeks, the former BMW and Renault driver demonstrated that almost severing his forearm in a 2011 rallying crash was no longer an obstacle to him being able to drive an F1 car competitively.

He will now follow up those two tests in the 2012 Lotus car with a run in the 2017 Renault, with Bild claiming: "If he shows his speed from the past, he should replace Jolyon Palmer from Spa-Francorchamps after the summer break."

Abiteboul said: "Jo has had some problems with reliability, but it is true that if we had two drivers who scored, we would not be eighth in the world championship.

"We are not testing Kubica for PR reasons. He is still fast and has the same energy."
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Post by kals » 2 months ago

Renault has now confirmed Kubica will participate in the post-Hungarian GP test, along with Nicholas Latifi.
Autosport.com wrote:Robert Kubica will test Renault's current Formula 1 car at the post-Hungarian Grand Prix test, the team has announced.

Renault has been weighing up for several weeks whether to run Kubica in the test, in its bid to better understand if the Polish driver is capable of an F1 return in 2018.

It is now confirmed that Kubica will drive for the team on the second day of the two-day test, which begins on the Tuesday after the Hungaroring event.

Renault F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul is clear that the Hungary run will be about getting a full assessment on what role Kubica could plan in the future, following his recent running in 2012 F1 machinery.

"The first two days of testing allowed both Robert and ourselves to gather a great amount of information," said Abiteboul.

"The upcoming session with the RS17 at the Hungaroring will allow us all to obtain detailed and precise data in a current car and representative conditions.

"After this test, we will carefully analyse the collected information to determine in what conditions it would be possible for Robert to return to competition in the upcoming years."

The Hungary test situation was complicated for Renault because Kubica's experience of F1 meant he is officially classified as a non-rookie driver - so if he ran it would have to be at the expense of either Jolyon Palmer or Nico Hulkenberg.

The FIA regulations demand that two of the four in-season test days are completed by drivers who have competed in no more than two grands prix. Kubica completed 76 races in his career for BMW Sauber and Renault.

With Renault having run Hulkenberg for one day in Bahrain, it meant that it only has one day remaining for a race driver.

The only other way that Renault could have run Kubica would be in a totally separate acclimatisation test that is allowed in the rules if a team elects to substitute a driver.

Kubica would be qualified to do this - because he has not raced in F1 for two years - and it would have to take part on a track that does not host an F1 race.

However, should the test go ahead and the team decide in the end that Kubica is not ready to compete, then the rule would dictate Renault losing one of its pre-season test days for 2018.

Renault test driver and Formula 2 racer Nicholas Latifi will drive on the first day of the test.
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