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I was thinking about revision of French rally accidents, so your access to INA archives would be very useful. If you want to participate, I'll send list of French rallies marred by fatalities to search from 1980. Maybe we could find some media or confirm some cases which currently missing MM.org.

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I was thinking about revision of French rally accidents, so your access to INA archives would be very useful. If you want to participate, I'll send list of French rallies marred by fatalities to search from 1980. Maybe we could find some media or confirm some cases which currently missing MM.org.
I can try to do that.
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I was thinking about revision of French rally accidents, so your access to INA archives would be very useful. If you want to participate, I'll send list of French rallies marred by fatalities to search from 1980. Maybe we could find some media or confirm some cases which currently missing MM.org.
I can try to do that.
Great. I'll omit fatalities with known video (1985-1987 Tour de Corse accidents, 1990 Monte Carlo, 1992 Dunkerque, 1995 Grasse-Alpin, 2000 Yonne). These accidents are confirmed to happened:

11.04.1981 - Rallye de Bresse-Bugey - Didier Todeschini/Claude Debailleux (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=5344
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=5345

17.05.1981 - Rallye de la Baule - Maurice Nusbaumer/Annie Gourdain (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2393
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2392

17.04.1982 - Rallye d'Armor - Jacques Corre (injured)/Rémy Le Bigot (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=9803

09.10.1982 - Rallye de Calvi-Calenzana (recce) - Pierre Orsini (injured)/Simon Quilici (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=9807

1x.06.1983 - Rallye Pétrole-Provence (need confirmation, maybe Rallye Pétrole-Provence Regional) - Gérard Delaup (injured)/Richard Solomas (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12611

23.09.1984 - Ronde de Calvi - Galeria - Calvenzana - René Zereni (killed)/Toussaint Capocchi (unharmed)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5648 ... zana-1984/
https://www.corsefootball.fr/corse-rall ... calenzana/ (including photo of accident)

30.09.1984 - Rallye du Gard - Claude Barthelet/Georges Constantino (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6574
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6573

22.09.1985 - Rallye Velay-Auvergne - Serge Belledent (injured)/Martine Besson (killed)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/coprofile/228529-m-besson/
http://forum-auto.caradisiac.com/sport- ... #t15538052
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15.06.1986 - Rallye de Nancy - Gérard Calabro (survived)/Alain Colas (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=5714

xx.04.1987 - Ronde de la Durance - ???/Eric Lombard (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12390

10.10.1987 - Rallye de Picardie - Pascal Thomasse (injured)/Patrick Maine (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=8750

31.10.1987 - Rallye des Vosges du Nord - René Heitzler/Philippe Gerhard (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6869
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6870

23.07.1988 - Rallye de Auvillars (?) - Regis Lemonnier(killed)/Robert Dorangeon (died on 24.07)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=7351
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=7352

1x.04.1989 - Critérium Sainte-Baume-Provence - Jacques Casabianca(survived)/Thierry Carli (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12396
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5117 ... ence-1989/

09.07.1989 - Ronde du Valentinois - Sylvain Chamberd (killed)/???
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12332

23.09.1990 - Rallye du Faucigny - Philippe Plantaz-Floquet (killed)/Benedicte Zaetta (injured)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/20 ... z-floguet/
https://www.humanite.fr/node/10309
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReade ... =ano%20199

07.10.1990 - Rallye de Picardie - Christian Saffa (killed)/Frédéric Froment (unknown)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/10 ... ian-saffa/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/3896 ... rdie-1990/

10.11.1990 - Critérium des Cévennes - Bruno Bastide (survived)/Patrick Bérard (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12370

xx.05.1991 - Rallye del Calypso (recce) - Joel Fourés (killed)/Patrice Fourés (critically injured, fate unknown)
https://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/MAM-86966

xx.05.1991 - Rallye de la Montagne Bourbonnaise - Jöel Mouetron (survived)/Sylvie Crochet (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12615

20.10.1991 - Rallye des Flandres - Bernard Meurisse (died from poisoning on 27.10)/Jean-Marie Santrain (unharmed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12341

11.07.1994 - Rallye Charlemagne - Frédéric Lengrand (killed)/Jean-Jacques Hubinet (injured)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/13 ... -lengrand/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/2768 ... agne-1994/
https://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/MAM-170274

xx.xx.1994 or xx.xx.1996 - Rallye du Val de l'Indre - Yannick Emery (killed)/???
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=7068

02.04.1995 - unknown - René Buffard (killed)/Jérôme Buffard (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12455
https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LD/1995 ... =relevance

15.07.1995 - Rallye du Lodévois - Francis Thiebe (unharmed)/Patricia Thiebe (died on 16.07)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12447

16.07.1995 - Rallye du Lodévois - Alain Benazech (injured)/Christelle Gimeno (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12448

09.09.1995 - Rallye de la Drôme - Serge Carra/Bruno Savoye (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12335
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12336

28.10.1995 - Rallye d'Automne - Jean-Yves Gadal (died)/Bernard Martinez (survived)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12232
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/1892 ... elle-1995/

xx.xx.1995 - Rallye des 6 Communes - Philippe Ascher (survived)/Marc Charpentier (killed)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/coprofile/ ... arpentier/
http://rallye-forez.com/zforum/read-2-539245-539245.htm
http://forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topi ... ne/page-18

31.03.1996 - Rallye Epernay Vins de Champagne - Christian Vandelle/Yves Manni (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12616
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12617

15.09.1996 - unknown - ???/Xavier Morisset (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=7441

0x.03.1997 - Rallye du Vivarais - Christian Filliat (died on 03.03.)/Philippe Martin (survived)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12451

22.03.1998 - Rallye du Pays de Lohéac - Eric Legendre/Nicolas Taridec (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6735
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6736

17.05.1998 - Rallye d'Uxello - Jérôme Bessettes (killed)/Maxime Cau (died from injuries on xx.05)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6766
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=11480

12.09.1998 - Rallye du Béthunois - Nicolas Wallart (survived)/Franck Leleu (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6765

30.08.1999 - Rallye Mont-Blanc (recce) - Mark Champeau (killed)/Gilles Thimonier (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6576

26.03.2000 - Rallye du Vallon de Marcillac - Laurent Persec (killed)/Alban Ginesty (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=11481

21.05.2000 - Rallye du Plan-de-la-Tour - Stéphane Passade (survived)/Laurent Beauvisage (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12467

27.10.2000 - Rallye d'Antibes - Rallye d'Azur - Jean-Luc Rinaldi (died on 28.10)/Hervé Reybaud (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12304

31.10.2000 - Rallye de Corte (tests) - Joachim Barroso (injured)/Antoine Aguzzi (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=10855
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/17 ... ne-aguzzi/
https://www.letelegramme.fr/ar/viewarti ... 27&type=ar

One more confirmed, but no known rally name or date of accident (1988 or later):
Olivier Bardou:
http://forum-auto.caradisiac.com/sport- ... #t15499703

And four more unconfirmed cases from Autoanddrive lists:
27.11.1983 - Rallye du Havre - ???/Christian David (killed)

??.??.1983 - unknown - ???/Danièlle Bevilacqua (killed)

26.04.1986 - Rallye Cédico - Gilles Cappe (killed)/???
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/14 ... les-cappe/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/3995 ... dico-1986/

??.??.1989 - unknown (tests) - Gilles Dagorne (killed)/???

Good luck with searching. Maybe it's better to search something like "pilote/co-pilote du rallye mort/decede/s'est tue".

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

Post-2000 year fatalities we can search later.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 2 months ago

Ok.
I can't say for sure when I'll search for them, but it could be this weekend.
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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

No need to hurry.

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

Little correction:
xx.05.1991 - Rallye del Calypso (recce) - Joel Fourés (killed)/Patrice Fourés (critically injured, fate unknown)
https://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/MAM-86966
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/DocReade ... a%20piloto

Possibly happened during third special stage of rally, not reconnaissance.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 2 months ago

I've searched the first 17 fatalities on INA.
I've found 6 of them.
I'll look for the other ones in the next days.
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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

Great. Thanks a lot!

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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

BTW, could you say which accidents you exactly found? I'll mark them in my list.

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Sedre wrote:
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BTW, could you say which accidents you exactly found? I'll mark them in my list.
These:
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17.05.1981 - Rallye de la Baule - Maurice Nusbaumer/Annie Gourdain (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2393
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=2392
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23.09.1984 - Ronde de Calvi - Galeria - Calvenzana - René Zereni (killed)/Toussaint Capocchi (unharmed)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5648 ... zana-1984/
https://www.corsefootball.fr/corse-rall ... calenzana/ (including photo of accident)
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xx.04.1987 - Ronde de la Durance - ???/Eric Lombard (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12390
(It doesn't say his name, but I'm quite sure it's his accident).
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31.10.1987 - Rallye des Vosges du Nord - René Heitzler/Philippe Gerhard (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6869
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6870
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1x.04.1989 - Critérium Sainte-Baume-Provence - Jacques Casabianca(survived)/Thierry Carli (killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12396
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5117 ... ence-1989/
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07.10.1990 - Rallye de Picardie - Christian Saffa (killed)/Frédéric Froment (unknown)
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile/10 ... ian-saffa/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/3896 ... rdie-1990/
I have yet to search the remaining ones (from 10/11/1990 onwards).

For the missing ones: in some cases, I couldn't find anything at all. For some others, there were some videos of the Rallye (but nothing about the crashes), and in another case, there were multiple tribute videos, but no crash (Pascal Thomasse/Patrick Maine).
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Post by Sedre » 2 months ago

Great work! Honestly, I'm surprised that there's footage of pretty obscure accidents such as Lombard, Carli and Saffa exist.

Some corrections:
Driver who was killed on 09.07.1989 during Ronde du Valentinois was Sylvain Chambard, not Chamberd (my typo).

Olivier Bardou probably was killed in late 1989 or 1990, he participated in Rallye National Val d'Agout 1989 on May;
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/5304 ... gout-1989/
My previous source mentioned him being participant in Rallye des Côtes du Tarn held in Rabastens commune (pretty close to Castres where Val d'Agout started).

One more request: I have one unconfirmed and unnamed fatality happened in late August/early September of 1991 during Rallye Cigalois. It was single mention in remains of thread regarding French rally fatalities in Rallye-forez forums but since I found it that posting went offline. Maybe some infomartion of it is in INA archives; at least, name of unfortunate racer who was presumably killed.

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Post by Motorsportrace » 2 months ago

I'll try to search the for the remaining ones in the next few days.
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Post by Motorsportrace » 1 month ago

I've searched all the fatalities you've posted here.

I've found another four (actually three, since, about one of them, only the place where accident occurred is shown):
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31.03.1996 - Rallye Epernay Vins de Champagne - Christian Vandelle/Yves Manni (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12616
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12617
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22.03.1998 - Rallye du Pays de Lohéac - Eric Legendre/Nicolas Taridec (both killed)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6735
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... =ct&n=6736
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26.03.2000 - Rallye du Vallon de Marcillac - Laurent Persec (killed)/Alban Ginesty (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=11481
Only the place where the car went off is shown.
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27.10.2000 - Rallye d'Antibes - Rallye d'Azur - Jean-Luc Rinaldi (died on 28.10)/Hervé Reybaud (injured)
http://www.motorsportmemorial.org/focus ... ct&n=12304
They actually show a newspaper containing an image of the wreck.

It was a bit... painful. :mrgreen:
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Post by Sedre » 1 month ago

Great! Thanks for searching.

Could you make screenshots from these videos like you did with Dunkerque-92, if that wouldn't be difficult to you?

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Great! Thanks for searching.

Could you make screenshots from these videos like you did with Dunkerque-92, if that wouldn't be difficult to you?
Yes, of course.
I also have the videos (watermarked, obviously).
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